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		<title>Alphabet Soup: XP SP and EV SSL XSS!</title>
		<link>http://www.hyperborea.org/journal/2008/05/alphabet-soup/</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 19 May 2008 17:26:22 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Kelson</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Sorry for the lack of updates this past week. I was just way too busy prepping for our move this weekend. A couple of interesting news bits I noticed when I got into work this morning: It looks like I&#8217;ve &#8230; <a href="http://www.hyperborea.org/journal/2008/05/alphabet-soup/">Continue reading <span class="meta-nav">&#8594;</span></a>]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry for the lack of updates this past week.  I was just way too busy prepping for our move this weekend.</p>
<p>A couple of interesting news bits I noticed when I got into work this morning:</p>
<p>It looks like I&#8217;ve been lucky with installing Windows&nbsp;XP Service Pack&nbsp;3.  I&#8217;ve had no problems with the one machine I installed it on.  According to Information Week, a lot of people are <a href="http://www.informationweek.com/news/windows/operatingsystems/showArticle.jhtml?articleID=207800691" title="Windows XP SP3 Causes 'Blue Screen Of Death' On AMD-Based PCs"><strong>having serious problems with SP3</strong></a>, including  <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blue_Screen_of_Death"><abbr title="Blue Screen of Death">BSOD</abbr></a> on AMD-based systems.</p>
<p>Also, NetCraft has a <a href="http://news.netcraft.com/archives/2008/05/16/paypal_xss_vulnerability_undermines_ev_ssl_security.html"><strong>screenshot of a PayPal page</strong></a> with both the green bar of an <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Extended_Validation_Certificate">Extended Validation (EV) SSL</a> certificate and a <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cross-site_scripting">cross-site scripting</a> (XSS) vulnerability.  It&#8217;s a step or two beyond the standard lock icon, but there are still limits to what an EV cert can tell you.  Unfortunately PayPal and others are really trying to drum &#8220;green bar = safe&#8221; into people&#8217;s heads.</p>
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		<title>Flagging (Non)-Spoofed Mail</title>
		<link>http://www.hyperborea.org/journal/2008/05/flagging-non-spoofed-mail/</link>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 02 May 2008 02:32:14 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Kelson</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Following up on the PayPal anti-phishing discussion of a few weeks ago, I see that PayPal is promoting a service called Iconix. You install the program on your system, and it looks at your inbox for messages that claim to &#8230; <a href="http://www.hyperborea.org/journal/2008/05/flagging-non-spoofed-mail/">Continue reading <span class="meta-nav">&#8594;</span></a>]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Following up on the PayPal anti-phishing discussion of a few weeks ago, I see that PayPal is promoting a service called <a href="http://www.iconix.com/"><strong>Iconix</strong></a>.  You install the program on your system, and it looks at your inbox for messages that claim to be from one of its customers.  It tries to <a href="http://www.iconix.com/faq/index.php?action=artikel&#038;cat=20&#038;id=12&#038;artlang=en">verify</a> them &#8220;using industry-standard authentication technologies such as Sender ID and DomainKeys.&#8221;  Messages that pass get a lock-and-checkbox icon attached to the sender&#8217;s name, and in some cases the name is replaced by the sender&#8217;s logo.</p>
<p>On the tech side, it&#8217;s similar to <a href="http://spamassassin.apache.org/">SpamAssassin&#8217;s</a> whitelist_from_spf and whitelist_from_dkim features.  Both allow you to specify a sender to whitelist, and it will only give a message special treatment if it can verify the sender.</p>
<p>On the user-interface side, it&#8217;s similar to EC certificates, in that it tries to highlight a &#8220;good&#8221; class of messages rather than flag or filter out a &#8220;bad&#8221; class.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s not a bad idea, actually, and now that I&#8217;m surprised I haven&#8217;t seen something similar in other email clients.  It&#8217;s sort of like setting up custom rings or images for images on your cell phone address book </p>
<p>They seem to be <a href="http://www.iconix.com/faq/index.php?action=artikel&#038;cat=11&#038;id=23&#038;artlang=en">focused on webmail and Outlook</a> so far, and only on Windows, but it looks like the <strong>perfect candidate for a Thunderbird extension</strong>.  They do have a sign-up form to notify you when they add support for various programs and OSes, and I was pleased to see not only Thunderbird and Mac&nbsp;OS listed, but Linux as well.  Too often, Linux gets forgotten in the shuffle to ensure compatibility with every Windows variation.</p>
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		<title>Blocking IE6: You, Me and&#8230;PayPal?</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Apr 2008 04:35:24 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Kelson</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[On Thursday I stumbled across a campaign to Trash All IE Hacks. The idea is that people only stay on the ancient, buggy, feature-lacking, PITA web browser, Internet Explorer&#160;6, because we web developers coddle them. We make the extra effort &#8230; <a href="http://www.hyperborea.org/journal/2008/04/blocking-ie6/">Continue reading <span class="meta-nav">&#8594;</span></a>]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://www.microsoft.com/ie/"><img class="alignright" alt="Internet Explorer." border="0"  src="http://www.hyperborea.org/journal/wp-content/uploads/2008/04/ie7_60h.png" width="60" height="60" /></a>On Thursday I stumbled across a campaign to <a href="http://www.webdesignerwall.com/general/trash-all-ie-hacks/"><strong>Trash All IE Hacks</strong></a>.  The idea is that people only stay on the ancient, buggy, feature-lacking, <abbr title="Pain In The *ahem*">PITA</abbr> web browser, Internet Explorer&nbsp;6, because we web developers coddle them.  We make the extra effort to work around those bugs, so they can actually use the sites without upgrading.</p>
<p>Well, yeah.  <strong>That&#8217;s our job.</strong></p>
<p>And a bunch of random websites blocking IE6 aren&#8217;t going to convince people to change.  If I were to block IE6, or only allow Firefox, or only allow Opera, I&#8217;d have to have <strong>seriously compelling content</strong> to get people to switch.  Mostly, people would get annoyed and move on.  Who&#8217;s going to install a new browser just so they can read the history of the Flash?  Or choose an ISP? Or buy a product that they can get from another site?</p>
<h3>Slapping the User in the Face</h3>
<p>It&#8217;s so easy for someone to walk away from your site.  One of the tenets of good web design is to make the user <strong>jump through as few hoops as possible</strong> to accomplish whatever you want him/her to do.  Every hoop you add is an obstacle.  Too many obstacles, and they&#8217;ll just go somewhere else more convenient.</p>
<p>Back when I was following <a href="http://www.spreadfirefox.com/">Spread Firefox</a>, every once in a while someone would suggest blocking IE.  Every time, people like me would shoot it down.  <span id="more-2448"></span> And think about it: what does the average Firefox user (or Opera user, for that matter) do when confronted with a site that will only run in IE?  Fire off a complaint, or move on, unless it&#8217;s something they can&#8217;t live without, like, say, their bank.  Only then will they bring up the site&#8217;s preferred browser&#8230;just long enough to do their business and move on.</p>
<p>Plus it goes against the grain of the concept that a website should be <a href="http://anybrowser.org/campaign/">viewable in any browser</a>.  It offends my sense of&#8230; I don&#8217;t know, egalitarianism.</p>
<h3>Recommend vs. Demand</h3>
<p>My current tactics: I target the latest versions of each browser (or rather, the overlap in their standards support), toss in enhancements where I think something would be nice, but not critical (off-site link icons using generated content, for instance, which works in everything except IE&le;7, or rounded corners, which only work in Gecko and WebKit so far).  And I take that, and make it look <em>reasonably</em> good in IE6.  I don&#8217;t try to make it perfect anymore (case in point, the header of this blog), but I try to make sure it&#8217;s functional and doesn&#8217;t look broken.</p>
<p>Then I include a polite notice recommending that people upgrade to something a little more capable or modern for a better experience, but <strong>I don&#8217;t require them to do so</strong>.  I don&#8217;t pop up anything that moves, or blocks content, or forces them to click through an extra page.</p>
<h3>Enter: PayPal</h3>
<p>Now, remember what I said about banks?  <a href="http://www.eweek.com/index2.php?option=content&#038;task=view&#038;id=47667&#038;pop=1&#038;hide_ads=1&#038;page=0&#038;hide_js=1"><strong>PayPal intends to block &#8220;unsafe&#8221; browsers</strong></a> from accessing their site <small>(<a href="http://it.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=08/04/18/003226">via Slashdot</a>)</small>.  They aren&#8217;t technically a bank, but PayPal is actually in a position where they might be able to do it: they&#8217;re the most well known online payment service where two random people can send each other money.  Probably more people will switch browsers and keep PayPal than switch payment services and keep their browser.</p>
<p>They&#8217;ve since <a href="http://www.computerworld.com/action/article.do?command=viewArticleBasic&#038;articleId=9079138&#038;intsrc=hm_list" title="ComputerWorld: PayPal: We won't block Safari">indicated</a> that they don&#8217;t intend to block &#8220;current versions of any browsers,&#8221; but will focus on &#8220;obsolete browsers on outdated or unsupported operating systems.&#8221;  <strong>So you IE4 users on Windows&nbsp;98?  Upgrade already!</strong>  (And since you can&#8217;t install IE7, try <a href="http://my.opera.com/community/download.pl?ref=Kelson&#038;p=opera_desktop">Opera</a>.  It still runs on Win98!)</p>
<p>They&#8217;ve also cited such safety features as phishing protection (present in IE7, Firefox&nbsp;2, and Opera&nbsp;9) and support for <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Extended_Validation_Certificate">Extended Validation SSL Certificates</a> (present in IE7 and the upcoming Firefox&nbsp;3 and Opera&nbsp;9.5).</p>
<h3>Hazards of Browser Sniffing</h3>
<p>Of course, once you start actively blocking browsers, you have three choices:</p>
<ul>
<li>Keep track of every single browser out there, and every version.</li>
<li>Let most browsers in, but only block a few problem browsers (similar to Yahoo&#8217;s <a href="http://developer.yahoo.com/yui/articles/gbs/">Graded Browser Support</a>)</li>
<li>Unfairly block browsers that might be perfectly adequate just because you can&#8217;t be bothered to investigate them.</li>
</ul>
<p>The last seems the most prevalent.  Just ask any Opera user today, or any Firefox user of 3 years ago.  (I remember using Firefox and being told to &#8220;upgrade&#8221; to Netscape 6, even though NS6 was based on an older version of the same engine.  Remember: <a href="http://web.archive.org/web/*/http://geckoisgecko.org/">Gecko is Gecko</a>.)</p>
<p>Whitelist approaches to browser detection are, by their nature, either going to require constant updating or block too much.  In this case, issues would include:</p>
<ul>
<li>Less well-known browsers, like <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flock_(web_browser)">Flock</a>, which uses the same anti-phishing features as Firefox</li>
<li>Browsers that don&#8217;t do phishing detection themselves, using third-party plugins to do the job.</li>
<li>Changes in status, when browsers add the capabilities required to get on the list.</li>
</ul>
<p>Thankfully, it looks like PayPal is going with the most minimally-intrusive approach: blocking only the most troublesome browsers, and letting the rest connect normally.</p>
<h3>Will it Work?</h3>
<p>There&#8217;s still the question of whether it&#8217;ll actually make users less likely to land on a PayPal phishing site.</p>
<p>For one thing, it&#8217;s not clear whether they&#8217;ll block IE6.  The initial report would definitely have excluded it, since it lacks both EV support and anti-phishing (without an add-on).  But the follow-up statement was focused on Safari.  Does PayPal consider IE6 to be a &#8220;current&#8221; version since Microsoft still supports it?  Or do they consider IE7 to be current, and IE6 to be obsolete?</p>
<p>Certainly, if they <em>don&#8217;t</em> block IE6, this will really only impact the tiny fraction of users running horribly outdated software.  (Well, <em>more</em> horribly outdated.)</p>
<p>The thing to remember is that the features PayPal is promoting <strong>will only help if users switch for general browsing</strong>.  In fact, anti-phishing will make no difference at all on PayPal&#8217;s actual site, unless it gets hacked (at which point the user is screwed anyway.)</p>
<p>So let&#8217;s suppose that they do block IE6.  As much as I&#8217;d <em>like</em> people to switch to Firefox or Opera full-time, I&#8217;m sure there will be some people who only fire up an alternative to use PayPal, and who stick with IE6 the rest of the time.  They&#8217;re just as likely as before to click on a bogus &#8220;Pay with PayPal&#8221; button, or a link in a phishing email.  If they weren&#8217;t going to do that in the first place, the browser requirement wasn&#8217;t needed.  If they were, the browser requirement doesn&#8217;t help.  The <strong>bogus sites won&#8217;t require phishing detection</strong>, or EV certs.  Imagine the user saying, &#8220;Hey, PayPal fixed the problem where it wouldn&#8217;t let me use IE!&#8221;</p>
<p>And of course it won&#8217;t stop someone with a stolen login and password from connecting using an &#8220;approved&#8221; browser.</p>
<p>The ISC has also weighed in re: <a href="http://isc.sans.edu/diary.html?storyid=4309">limitations of EV certificates</a>.  Among other things: it may be easier to get an EV cert than suggested, in which case it won&#8217;t indicate any greater degree of trust than a standard SSL certificate.  And it doesn&#8217;t prevent other issues, like keyword loggers or trojans that simply hijack a user&#8217;s session.</p>
<p>I apologize for the rambling nature of this post (yeah, site title and all that).  But I worked on it on a succession of late nights, and decided it was time to just post the thing.  Also, I <del>should</del> have <a href="http://operawatch.com/news/2008/05/whats-a-safe-browser.html">a somewhat more concise post</a> up on <a href="http://operawatch.com/">OperaWatch</a> <del>soon</del> <ins>now</ins>.</p>
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		<title>One Degree</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Nov 2003 06:27:25 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Kelson</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Anyone whose email address is posted on a web site probably doesn&#8217;t bother to identify who sent them viruses anymore. With faked return addresses and the high probability that your only connection to the sender is the fact that they &#8230; <a href="http://www.hyperborea.org/journal/2003/11/one-degree/">Continue reading <span class="meta-nav">&#8594;</span></a>]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Anyone whose email address is posted on a web site probably doesn&#8217;t bother to identify who sent them viruses anymore.  With <a href="http://www.hyperborea.org/journal/2003/09/viral-degrees-of-separation/">faked return addresses</a> and the high probability that your only connection to the sender is the fact that they visited your web page sometime in the last month, there really isn&#8217;t much point.</p>
<p>Every once in a while, you&#8217;ll see something weird.</p>
<p>Today I received what looked like a classic credit-card theft scam:  a notice supposedly from PayPal claiming that my account would be canceled unless I re-entered all my credit card information into the linked web page.  <i>Right.</i>  Normally I just report it to PayPal and delete it, but this one had an attachment instead of a link, and that attachment had been <a href="http://www.mimedefang.org/">defanged</a>.  With a name like www.paypal.com.scr, it was pretty obviously a virus. <span id="more-228"></span> (The .scr extension, normally used for screen savers on Windows, is often used by viruses because it will be run just like any other program, but it&#8217;s less obvious than naming it .exe.)</p>
<p>The really odd part was that it was sent to an address I only use on eBay and PayPal, and they make it really difficult to pick up email addresses these days.  I realized that only two groups of people would have that address: people who really did work for eBay or PayPal, or people whom I had recently bought from or sold to on eBay.</p>
<p>A quick search through my email history, and I found two messages sent from the same IP address, both from a seller I had bought from last month.</p>
<p>By the time I got around to searching, two things had happened: I had received two more copies from the same source, and Symantec had posted a description of what they were calling <a href="http://www.symantec.com/security_response/writeup.jsp?docid=2003-111317-1701-99">W32.Paylap@mm [ed: W32.Mimail.I@mm]</a>.  I sent a note to the seller about the virus, suggesting also that he contact his credit card company if he actually filled out the form.</p>
<p>With luck, he&#8217;ll catch it before any financial damage is added to the infected computer.</p>
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