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		<title>By: ZachsMind</title>
		<link>http://www.hyperborea.org/journal/archives/2005/11/09/infinite-crisis-as-metafiction/#comment-29171</link>
		<dc:creator>ZachsMind</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Aug 2007 01:51:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Roy Thomas had the right idea over twenty years ago, but they ripped the rug out from under him long before Crisis on Infinite Earths began. Thomas started All-Star Squadron as a way of retelling the golden age tales with a modern sensibility. However, as was the case in the golden age with All Star comics, characters like Superman, Batman, and Wonder Woman couldn&#039;t be featured in the forefront, because they didn&#039;t wanna contradict the already ongoing franchises. This caused Thomas to dance a bit, and the end result allowed other characters like Liberty Belle and Hawkman to shine in the spotlight, but it also placed limits on Thomas&#039; storytelling options. Then after Crisis the incongruity of resetting The Big Three in the present instead of the past caused the early issues of All-Star Squadron to contadict itself while it was still a viable title, thus helping it lose it&#039;s viability and credibility. Damn shame. It had been a lot of fun. 

What the editors (of the Silver Age) should have done from the beginning is accept that Superman, Batman, and Wonder Woman&#039;s stories have always belonged in the mid twentieth century, through world war two and on into the McCarthy era, but by the 70s they should have started showing their age, and by now they should be fond memories. There should never have been an &quot;Earth-1&quot; (how erroneous a nomenclature), and I see all this Infinite Crisis silliness being a continuing refusal to accept the inevitable - there&#039;s only one way for there to be a happy ending. 

However, from an editorial (and more importantly economic) standpoint, making a DCU without conflict would destroy their trademarks. The people behind DCs intellectual properties want to insure that the stories of their big name characters will forever be fresh and new, in which case they should abandon continuity altogether. 

The stories DC should be telling today are new ones with new characters and modern settings. Setting Batman in today&#039;s America is like setting Sherlock Holmes in today&#039;s England. It might sell books, but it doesn&#039;t make common sense. Of course, who would possibly want to tell stories in a universe that made any sense? Where&#039;s the fun in that? 

For the rest of you who still buy comics, in a medium where every twenty-eight pages has to end in a cliffhanger, in order to keep the revenue flowing in, there&#039;s no room for happy endings that last. For me? As far as I&#039;m concerned, 1986 was the end of the line. I invented my own issue twelve of Crisis on Infinite Earths in my head. In my version, everyone lived happily ever after. Even Guy Gardner.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Roy Thomas had the right idea over twenty years ago, but they ripped the rug out from under him long before Crisis on Infinite Earths began. Thomas started All-Star Squadron as a way of retelling the golden age tales with a modern sensibility. However, as was the case in the golden age with All Star comics, characters like Superman, Batman, and Wonder Woman couldn&#8217;t be featured in the forefront, because they didn&#8217;t wanna contradict the already ongoing franchises. This caused Thomas to dance a bit, and the end result allowed other characters like Liberty Belle and Hawkman to shine in the spotlight, but it also placed limits on Thomas&#8217; storytelling options. Then after Crisis the incongruity of resetting The Big Three in the present instead of the past caused the early issues of All-Star Squadron to contadict itself while it was still a viable title, thus helping it lose it&#8217;s viability and credibility. Damn shame. It had been a lot of fun. </p>
<p>What the editors (of the Silver Age) should have done from the beginning is accept that Superman, Batman, and Wonder Woman&#8217;s stories have always belonged in the mid twentieth century, through world war two and on into the McCarthy era, but by the 70s they should have started showing their age, and by now they should be fond memories. There should never have been an &#8220;Earth-1&#8243; (how erroneous a nomenclature), and I see all this Infinite Crisis silliness being a continuing refusal to accept the inevitable &#8211; there&#8217;s only one way for there to be a happy ending. </p>
<p>However, from an editorial (and more importantly economic) standpoint, making a DCU without conflict would destroy their trademarks. The people behind DCs intellectual properties want to insure that the stories of their big name characters will forever be fresh and new, in which case they should abandon continuity altogether. </p>
<p>The stories DC should be telling today are new ones with new characters and modern settings. Setting Batman in today&#8217;s America is like setting Sherlock Holmes in today&#8217;s England. It might sell books, but it doesn&#8217;t make common sense. Of course, who would possibly want to tell stories in a universe that made any sense? Where&#8217;s the fun in that? </p>
<p>For the rest of you who still buy comics, in a medium where every twenty-eight pages has to end in a cliffhanger, in order to keep the revenue flowing in, there&#8217;s no room for happy endings that last. For me? As far as I&#8217;m concerned, 1986 was the end of the line. I invented my own issue twelve of Crisis on Infinite Earths in my head. In my version, everyone lived happily ever after. Even Guy Gardner.</p>
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		<title>By: Kelson</title>
		<link>http://www.hyperborea.org/journal/archives/2005/11/09/infinite-crisis-as-metafiction/#comment-7693</link>
		<dc:creator>Kelson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Nov 2005 17:50:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve heard a lot of people speculate that &lt;i&gt;Seven Soldiers&lt;/i&gt; takes place in the post-&lt;i&gt;IC&lt;/i&gt; universe.  Considering that it&#039;s stayed away from the big guns as much as possible---Zatanna and Mr. Miracle are the most prominent characters it&#039;s used---there really isn&#039;t a way to tell.  But DC does seem to have planned things far enough ahead that they could pull it off, particularly with Grant Morrison as one of the main architects of the new DCU...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve heard a lot of people speculate that <i>Seven Soldiers</i> takes place in the post-<i>IC</i> universe.  Considering that it&#8217;s stayed away from the big guns as much as possible&#8212;Zatanna and Mr. Miracle are the most prominent characters it&#8217;s used&#8212;there really isn&#8217;t a way to tell.  But DC does seem to have planned things far enough ahead that they could pull it off, particularly with Grant Morrison as one of the main architects of the new DCU&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Keith P Stieneke</title>
		<link>http://www.hyperborea.org/journal/archives/2005/11/09/infinite-crisis-as-metafiction/#comment-7692</link>
		<dc:creator>Keith P Stieneke</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Nov 2005 17:30:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If the world is rebuilt around the Earth 2 characters how will that affect things that are happening in the Seven Soldiers miniseries? It is even more grim and foreboding than the events occuring in Infinite Crisis and its tie-ins. Can we have two Supermen, two Superboys, etc, etc.? What is going to be the final outcome? The only way to know for sure is to keep on reading. But keep on guessing because speculation is such great fun.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If the world is rebuilt around the Earth 2 characters how will that affect things that are happening in the Seven Soldiers miniseries? It is even more grim and foreboding than the events occuring in Infinite Crisis and its tie-ins. Can we have two Supermen, two Superboys, etc, etc.? What is going to be the final outcome? The only way to know for sure is to keep on reading. But keep on guessing because speculation is such great fun.</p>
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		<title>By: Umber</title>
		<link>http://www.hyperborea.org/journal/archives/2005/11/09/infinite-crisis-as-metafiction/#comment-7674</link>
		<dc:creator>Umber</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Nov 2005 14:16:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Personally, I&#039;m hoping.....not, as I&#039;m too used to how things are now, plus It&#039;d kinda make supes, bats, and WonW,way too patriotic, for my taste. So I&#039;m kinda rootin for Donna&#039;s posse.

But yeah, I can see your point modern DCU has gotten a lot darker through the years,......... but I like it that way.

It&#039;d be funny if the only reality that actually survives through this/resurfaces, is Earth-prime&#039;s superboy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Personally, I&#8217;m hoping&#8230;..not, as I&#8217;m too used to how things are now, plus It&#8217;d kinda make supes, bats, and WonW,way too patriotic, for my taste. So I&#8217;m kinda rootin for Donna&#8217;s posse.</p>
<p>But yeah, I can see your point modern DCU has gotten a lot darker through the years,&#8230;&#8230;&#8230; but I like it that way.</p>
<p>It&#8217;d be funny if the only reality that actually survives through this/resurfaces, is Earth-prime&#8217;s superboy.</p>
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